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You may be aware of Octopus Electroverse which allows you to charge on many UK and European networks through roaming agreements.

I found this article full of Electroverse offers and discounts, some of which I wasn't aware of. I thought it might be nice to post it here and briefly highlight them.

These are the current UK offers:

Discounts

  • Octopus Go customers - 5% off
  • Octopus Intelligent Go customers - 8% off
  • Ionity - 5% off
  • Osprey - 20% off between 7-11pm
  • Be.EV - 10% off between 9pm-7am
  • RAW Charging - 15% off (until 31-Jan-25)
  • Plunge pricing - will be notified when they occur

Other offers

  • Shell Recharge - charge up 5kWh and get a free drink
  • Q-Park - 20% off parking until 31-Dec-24
  • Smart Charge (Sainsbury's) - 4x Nectar Points

There is also a monthly photo competition, and you can refer a friend. I don't normally post this, but my referral code is beige-hero-474 - we share £10 credit if used. Feel free to use it if you want to reward me for my modding and posting. 🙂

If you see anything new post below! I can't promise I'll keep this list up-to-date, but the link always contains the latest offers (except the Sainsbury's one which isn't on there yet but is in the app).

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its all very interesting i think. A chunk of these if not all will be open by 2025, so there’s no real ground to be gained saying theres not enough charging. Id say its pretty much bang on now, barring the further UK reaches above Inverness. In 2 years charging just wont be an issue for anyone.

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If anyone’s interested, this can be very helpful. Please use a browser, the mobile apps don’t show half the data. This is all UK hubs of 5 rapids, up to 32 I think is the record. It’s updated often when they go live.

What I found with zap map, THE BEST APP, is it’s very confusing for new users who can’t work out what it’s telling them. This gets around that issue, it shows you the public access tesla locations (ie not just tesla cars) as they don’t always advertise it, it’s pretty good. It doesn’t show the prices but it’s all contactless payment units apart from tesla and a few others where you’ll need an app to pay.

I’ve found it helps with long trips. Also as it’s quite complex some data might be slightly out of date but if you double check your other apps it will become clear.

Enjoy!

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/39440165

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TLDR:

  • Production and sales targets for EV makers come down from the Chinese government, dictating to its state-controlled industries what targets producers need to hit.
  • Those that meet the sales targets are incentivized, those who fail to meet targets are often punished by the state.
  • This has led to auto dealers, exporters, and other outside companies buying Chinese domestic vehicles right off the assembly line as new, and then immediately shipping them abroad where they're sold at lower prices as "fake" used models.
  • Some Chinese representatives openly praise the practice and don't shy away from the details at public events. This certainly suggests the government is well aware that it's over-producing new vehicles, deflating prices, diminishing demand, and hurting global competition, all for the sake of boosting numbers to keep politicians happy.
  • The proliferation of new cars being shipped for sale with "used" tags is reinforcing fears that China is dumping subsidized vehicles overseas, at a time when Beijing is scrambling to find export markets outside the United States, now heavily protected by tariffs.

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China's auto industry has inflated car sales for years through a burgeoning government-backed grey market that registers new cars right off the assembly line and then ships them overseas as "used" vehicles.

These so-called "zero-mileage" cars have never been driven but they are being exported as used to markets like Russia, Central Asia and the Middle East, allowing Chinese automakers to show growth and to dispose of cars that it would be difficult to sell domestically.

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The practice only gained national attention after the boss of Chinese automaker Great Wall Motor criticized the sale of zero-mileage used cars within China in May. On June 10 the People's Daily newspaper condemned the sale of zero-mileage used cars domestically.

The paper, which often signals the positions of China's top Communist Party leaders, blamed these fake used cars for driving down prices amid a withering domestic price war and called for "tough regulatory action" to restore order.

But the export and sale of fake used cars is actively encouraged by regional governments in China, according to a Reuters review of state media reports and government documents.

Local governments have embraced the practice as vital to meeting ambitious targets for economic growth set by Beijing, according to a Reuters review of local policy documents and state media articles.

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The zero-mileage used car export market works like this: as a fresh car emerges from the assembly line, an exporter buys the car either directly from the automaker or from a dealer, registers it with a Chinese license plate, and then immediately marks it as a second-hand car for shipping abroad. Along the way, the automaker books the car as sold and logs the revenue.

The support for the practice from local governments would make little sense anywhere outside China's centrally planned economy. But here, showing rapid growth in sales and employment can bring about promotion or unlock new funding while missing economic targets that trickle down from Beijing can lead to demotions of local officials.

Because these export firms both purchase and sell a single car, the transaction value is double that of new or used-car purchases, so local governments court them to set up shop on their turf to quickly and artificially boost their GDP statistics, two Chinese auto industry executives said.

The tactic is only one sign that China's car industry – the world's largest – is allowing production to outpace demand, driving a protracted domestic price war and spurring accusations of automotive "dumping" abroad.

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Local government support has taken various forms, from simplifying paperwork, to allocating extra quotas for local vehicle registrations, to setting up free warehouses for zero-mileage used cars close to China's land and maritime borders, the Chinese documents showed.

In February 2024, the planning commission of the southern city of Shenzhen, one of China's richest cities and a tech hub that is home to Huawei and Tencent, pledged to expand the export of zero-mileage used cars as part of efforts to reach an annual target to export 400,000 vehicles of all kinds.

Nearby, the southern Chinese metropolis Guangzhou announced earlier this year it had created a mechanism to support and accelerate the export of zero-mileage gasoline vehicles by allocating extra quotas for local registrations that are otherwise capped to mitigate traffic congestion and air pollution in the city.

Xinmi, a district of Zhengzhou, the provincial capital of China's third-most populous province of Henan, said in February that it helped local firm Xinjiasheng Supply Chain Management Co., Ltd to "promote zero-mileage used car exports, in order to use exports to drive domestic sales."

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The practice began sometime after 2019 when China allowed used cars to be exported to other countries. Now thousands of traders are involved in passing off new cars as used to qualify for the channel, according to Wang Meng, a consultant for the China Automobile Dealers Association.

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The proliferation of new cars being shipped for sale with "used" tags is reinforcing fears that China is dumping subsidized vehicles overseas, at a time when Beijing is scrambling to find export markets outside the United States, now heavily protected by tariffs.

Some countries, concerned that the influx of cars will crowd out local dealers and confuse consumers, are starting to push back.

"We're definitely seeing friction and tension in markets where there are already manufacturers on the ground there," said Michael Dunne, a consultant who closely follows the China auto industry.

Russia in 2023 issued a government decree effectively banning zero-mileage used cars from brands that already had official distributors in the country. The commerce bureau of Heihe, a Chinese city that sits on the China-Russia border, said last November on its website that this applied to Chinese brands such as Chery, Changan, and Geely.

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Fans of the electric tricycle gather at a rally in Cambridge and praise their favourite vehicle.

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Government will subsidise prices cuts to encourage a shift away from petrol and diesel.

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For all the Chinese government’s efforts to prevent price cuts by market leader BYD Co. from turning into a vicious spiral, analysts say a combination of weaker demand and extreme overcapacity will slice into profits at the strongest brands and force feebler competitors to fold. Even after the number of EV makers started shrinking for the first time last year, the [Chinese] industry is still using less than half its production capacity.

Chinese authorities are trying to minimize the fallout, chiding the sector for “rat race competition” and summoning heads of major brands to Beijing last week. Yet previous attempts to intervene have had little success. For the short term at least, investors are betting few automakers will escape unscathed: BYD, arguably the biggest winner from industry consolidation, has lost $21.5 billion in market value since its shares peaked in late May.

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Auto CEOs were told last week they must “self-regulate” and shouldn’t sell cars below cost or offer unreasonable price cuts, according to people familiar with the matter. The issue of zero-mileage cars also came up — where vehicles with no distance on their odometers are sold by dealers into the second-hand market, seen widely as a way for automakers to artificially inflate sales and clear inventory.

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The pricing turmoil is also unfolding against a backdrop of significant overcapacity. The average production utilization rate in China’s automotive industry was mere 49.5% in 2024, data compiled by Shanghai-based Gasgoo Automotive Research Institute show.

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The Chinese electric vehicle (EV) boom has turned into a dramatic shakeout with 400 Chinese EV companies ceasing operations between 2018 – 2025 [...] China’s EV startup explosion was fuelled by generous subsidies, tax breaks, and easy access to local production licenses between 2015 and 2019. According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), this led to an overcrowded market of more than 500 ventures, many lacking core technology, supply chains, or scale.

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Apparently you can now get Clubcard points when you use the Pod Points at Tesco.

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3000 miles ought to be enough charge for anybody.

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crosspostato da: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/35203087

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This is an op-ed piece by Katharina Osthoff, Senior Policy Advisor at Friedrich Naumann Eurooe Foundation, and Sam Goodman, Senior Policy Director of the China Strategic Risks Institute, the co-Founder and co-Chair of the New Diplomacy Project.

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While the growing influx of competitively priced and well equipped Chinese EVs may appear the superior choice for both consumers and policymakers in Europe, they bring with them substantial economic risks. These risks threaten the domestic automotive industry, which is outmatched by Chinese EV production as well as Europe’s ambitious environmental goals that rely on a substantial shift towards EVs. Yet, the implications extend far beyond economic or ecological concerns. Chinese EVs potentially pose new challenges when it comes to the EU’s commitment to data protection abroad and at home, as well as to upholding security and global human rights standards.

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At the heart of China’s EV production lie deliberate, state-controlled industrial policies: massive state subsidies, overcapacity, and strategic export orientation. This has enabled China’s EV manufacturers to produce high-quality vehicles at near-unbeatable prices, which facilitated companies like BYD, Nio, and Chery to scale-up production rapidly and flood global markets, including in Europe. [...] Today, Beijing holds influential positions across the entire supply chain: from raw material extraction to battery production and final assembly. The EU's commitment to a green transition, which heavily relies on increasing the market share of EVs, exacerbates this issue. This situation highlights a paradox where European liberal free-market democracies are seemingly outperformed by China's state-supported enterprises.

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[European] domestic manufactures are hamstrung by fragmented national policies and underinvestment. This imbalance risks creating a structural dependency on Chinese imports. Unlike past technological shifts, this dependency is not only commercial in nature but also geopolitical. China’s overcapacity is not a market accident but rather the product of deliberate policy choices , aimed at dominating critical technologies and global value chains. The implications for the EU extend far beyond industrial competitiveness. As demonstrated in past cases of economic coercion, most notably against Lithuania, Beijing has shown its willingness to use market access and trade ties as instruments of political pressure. A future in which China controls a large share of the EU’s EV market risks giving Beijing undue influence over European policymaking, including the ability to discourage criticism of its human rights record, military posture, or foreign policy behaviour.

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Driving a Trojan Horse? Data, Security, and Surveillance

Aside from the clear economic risks that Chinese EVs present to Europe’s automotive manufacturing, growing concerns about data privacy, surveillance, and cybersecurity cannot be sidelined. As the former head of MI6 aptly put it, EVs are not just cars but “computers on wheels.” European regulators should take seriously the data security risks this implies. Under the National Intelligence Law and China’s Data Security Law, Chinese EV manufacturers and their suppliers operate under a legal obligation to cooperate with the Ministry of State Security and are prohibited from disclosing this cooperation to foreign governments, raising serious cybersecurity concerns. Chinese Communist Party cells are required to be embedded within the corporate structures of these [EV] firms, making the firewall between commercial operations and the Chinese state increasingly porous. Additionally, many manufacturers rely on software and components from firms such as DeepSeek, which have already been flagged for their data practices.

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Hidden Costs: Labour and Human Rights in the EV Supply Chain

At the same time, the EU cannot afford to ignore the human rights concerns associated with China’s EV supply chain. Beijing has secured a commanding lead in the supply chain for key battery materials with Chinese firms like BYD having established a strong presence in lithium mining and processing operations across Latin America and parts of Africa. [...] The growing scrutiny has already led to tangible shifts in corporate behaviour. Volkswagen’s recent decision to exit Xinjiang reflects growing pressure on European firms to sever ties with entities linked to systemic human rights abuses. While the company cited economic reasons for the sale, the move underscores the reputational and legal risks European firms face if they remain entangled with controversial actors in the Chinese EV ecosystem. Beyond supply chains, the ethical and legal implications of technology partnerships with Chinese firms demand closer examination. Several leading Chinese tech companies such as Hikvision and others have been implicated in surveillance activities and abuses, particularly in Xinjiang. Partnerships of this nature carry considerable reputational risks in liberal democracies and may expose European firms to secondary sanctions or consumer backlash.

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Such pragmatic policy solutions aimed at restoring the EU’s competitive edge should include:

  • The EU should commit to reviewing the EU’s countervailing tariffs on Chinese EVs within the first year of the new EU Commission.
  • The EU should review the EU’s current Foreign Direct Investment Regulation to focus on rules regarding joint ventures to look at local ownership requirements, data security requirements, and local content requirements.
  • The EU should legally require foreign EV companies from a country where the EU does not have a data standards equivalency agreement to store data on European servers and to commit not to transfer the data overseas under any circumstances.
  • The EU should negotiate economic security partnership agreements with value partners such as Japan and the Republic of Korea. One target under these partnerships would be to encourage joint ventures between European automotive producers and world leading Japanese and South Korea battery producers including Samsung, SK Innovation, Panasonic, and LG Energy Solution.
  • The EU should investigate forced labour in Xinjiang, add the geographic region of Xinjiang to its forced labour risk database, and introduce guidelines for European businesses regarding the prevalence of forced labour goods in the automotive supply chain.
  • European policymakers should expand tax incentives and other measures to encourage European automotive companies to work together to share research, development, and production costs for EVs.
  • The European Commission should work with European Member States to coordinate Next Generation EU and Multiannual Financial Framework funds to support the development of the European EV sector, including encouraging matching private sector investment in the EV battery supply chain and EV charging infrastructure. This should serve as the frontrunner to an EU-wide Green Industrial Strategy.

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This is really pretty amazing how poorly designed the Tesla doors are, where if the power fails (like in a crash or a fire), you might need to remove the speaker grill or two separate panels to get to the emergency mechanical door release.

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Hydrogen - it's the future!

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UK hits 100,000 public EV chargers (www.renewableenergymagazine.com)
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Bit of a clickbait headline - it's actually a Nissan Micra EV based on the R5.

NISSAN has revealed a next-generation budget EV to rival Renault 5 with 248 miles of charge.

The financially-stricken carmaker has partnered with Renault to create an “audacious” spin-off to the R5 while remaining “true to the DNA of its predecessors”.

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Committee warns of serious injustice to disabled motorists and those reliant on public chargers

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Affected roads include vital routes for holidaymakers, including A2 towards Folkestone and parts of A303 and A30

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A poll of more than 8,200 drivers has found widespread support for green signs pointing to public EV charging locations and pricing displays similar to fuel stations.

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This is a GB News article, but it's good to see that reducing the public charging VAT rate will be debated.

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Launches tomorrow...

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Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds is set to confirm the Government will consult on easing rules related to the phasing-out of new petrol and diesel cars, the PA news agency understands.

The Cabinet minister is expected to use a speech to the automotive industry on Tuesday night to announce that changes to flexibilities available to manufacturers as part of the zero-emission vehicles (Zev) mandate will be proposed.

Under the mandate, at least 22% of new cars sold by each manufacturer in the UK this year must be zero-emission, which generally means pure electric.

The threshold will rise annually, including to 28% in 2025.

Under the current rules, the mandate will reach 80% by 2030, but the Government has committed to bring the ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and vans forward from 2035 to 2030.

Failure to abide by the mandate or make use of flexibilities – such as buying credits from rival companies or making more sales in future years – will result in a requirement to pay the Government £15,000 per polluting car sold above the limits.

The consultation, which will be launched in the coming weeks, is unlikely to propose changes to the mandate’s percentages.

It will include amendments to the options for how non-compliant manufacturers can avoid fines.

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